Well, that puts a whole new spin on “top” and “bottom”

March 31, 2009

“Well I’m married (that’s real married for you confused folks), and besides the ethics of my adult sexuality excludes the molestation (that’s subduction to you confused folks) of adolescents.”

SUBDUCTION [suhb-duhk-shuhn]: Geology. The process by which collision of the earth’s crustal plates results in one plate’s being drawn down or overridden by another, localized along the juncture (subduction zone) of two plates.

REAL MARRIAGE [reel mah-raj]: Entrenched patriarchy. The process by which collision of two human beings results in one woman’s being drawn down or overridden by a man such as Marc34me, who, incidentally, is the same fine specimen who  gave us this.

64 Responses to “Well, that puts a whole new spin on “top” and “bottom””

  1. Maud said

    Why isn’t he gone yet?

    There must be further scientific fields he wants to bestride, in the masterly fashion he has done in Mathematics and Geology. Physicists of the world, stand back! Here comes Marc34me! Maybe he could change his ID to Macrame and take up the knotty problems of string theory.

  2. octopod said

    Shit, I’m REALLY confused now. What the hell was he…

    …oh. Seduction. D’oh.

  3. Mark said

    Lol, I didn’t realize someone felt I was so important that they had to dedicate a blog to me…. LOL

  4. Yes, Mark, you should be very proud of yourself—it takes a high degree of idiocy to earn a place on this blog. Give yourself a pat on the back and go back to googling your own username.

  5. Mark said

    It doesn’t take an idiot to make typos or misspell words, but it is pretty idiotic, make a blog solely for the purpose defending their position based on grammatical errors… and ignoring the logic of what was intended.

    Keep up the good work, it is very amusing and entertaining, kinda like the “parody marriage”, practiced by homosexuals.

    Vary amusing in deed…

  6. Mark, honey, I think perhaps I’ve figured you out. Your inane postings—which, let’s be clear, are no more acquainted with “logic” than the Cubs are with the World Series—are a form of performance art! You’re not really a slow-witted, self-important bigot; this is just your way of reaping the fruits (get it? fruits!) of that B.F.A. you’re so proud of. Am I right?

  7. Atalanta said

    Oh, Mark, Mark, Mark. When you try the whole repartee thing it’s simply a non-starter, plus, you’re FAR more entertaining when you’re just striving to make sense. I’d truly appreciate it if you’d resume mangling math and science in the service of a doomed anachronism. You have a special gift for that — use it!!

    P.S. I dare you to go to any gay forum and say you participated in “Bears on Parade”…. That’s a gift from the comedy gods, right there.

  8. Mark said

    Eloquent words indeed, sadly the homosexual coupling isn’t quite as creative, perhaps then the cause you (both) profess to be so worthy of human rights and dignity would rate the sense of equality you long for.

    As for the BFA, perhaps if you were to take the time to study something besides Karma-Sutra, you would realize that the logic of Art and its inherent properties, transcend ALL forms of expression, communication and creative processes.

    Then you might begin to see the inherent fallacies in the concept of gay “marriage”, until you understand what is plainly seen, your your words and actions will never be able to justify a reality that simply doesn’t exist.

    Good luck with that…

  9. Atalanta said

    See what I mean, Mark? It’s SO much better when you get all serious and puffed-up and try to put a lot of words together so they mean something! I might have to start to cite you for comma abuse, though.

    And “Karma-Sutra”??? That’s just….awesome.

    Please see FF’s comment above regarding Cubs/World Series, but again I applaud your valiant effort. More! More!

  10. Sweet Jesus, you’re a dumbshit, Mark. And just FYI, your Facebook profile picture could easily be mistaken for a still from a gay soft-porn movie. I’m telling you this as a friend, since I know it’s of utmost importance to you to appear heterosexual. :)

  11. Mark said

    FF, I guess when you are gay everything seems queer.

  12. 28 hours and that’s all you could come up with? Now I’m sad. Queer and sad.

  13. Mark said

    Sorry you had to wait so long, but, you are not my priority; I have a Family to tend to.

  14. I would never dream of trying to mess with your family. I only wish you’d return the same courtesy to your gay and lesbian neighbors. Peace.

  15. Mark said

    I will only extend to others the same honor, respect and dignity that they show for their own family of origin. How we treat our own is a prelude to what we would do to others…

  16. Mark said

    You have made your respect for my family abundantly clear by attempting to make a mockery of their father on your blog.

  17. Mark said

    What is Fundamentally Flawed is your plea for “feelings of others” is contradicted by your lack of the same.

  18. Atalanta said

    Mark, had you not spent time and energy elaborately (albeit farcically) arguing that gay and lesbian humans should not be accorded the same civil rights as straight humans, you never would have ended up ridiculed here. You’re an audacious (and mendacious) ass to suggest that any disrespect BEGAN with this blog. Give me a break.

    It’s got nothing to do with “feelings of others” and everything to do with liberty and justice for all. You’ve not offered a single actual reason for opposing same-sex marriage besides “it’s different” or “that’s not the definition of marriage,” both of which are false and true, and neither of which is relevant to equality under the law.

    The happy reality is YOU’VE ALREADY LOST this fight, Mark. The next generation of voters does not get how or why this is even an issue; it’s a no-brainer to them that they and their (gay and straight) friends should have equal rights and responsibilities.

  19. >> I will only extend to others the same honor, respect and dignity that they show for their own family of origin

    Ah, so you polled the families of every LGBT person in America before attacking them in a series of inane and cruel posts? You missed mine.

    >> What is Fundamentally Flawed is your plea for “feelings of others” is contradicted by your lack of the same.

    You publish hateful and uneducated opinions against gays and lesbians who have done you absolutely no wrong, and when we poke fun at you in return, you whimper about your poor hurt fee-fees. Sorry, that won’t earn you any sympathy here.

    >> You have made your respect for my family abundantly clear by attempting to make a mockery of their father on your blog.

    It was not so much an “attempt” as a rousing and effortless success.

  20. Mark said

    well Ata, you got the “no-brainer” part right… it’s my guess you were betting on them in 08 and lost.

    And FF, I didn’t poll all, but I did poll a reasonable random sample, drawn from my life experiences as an tattoo artist. Perhaps if you were to step outside the insane bubble you live in you might reach the same conclusions.

    As for my posts they are no more hateful than those of the anti-8 crowd… I give as good as I get and I need no sympathy, remember, I won.

    “It was not so much an “attempt” as a rousing and effortless success.”

    That is yet to be seen, however, there is still time to ban or manipulate my replies and call me a coward for running away… LOL… The illusion of success is all yours, after all this is your site.

  21. Mark, trust me, leaving your posts up makes you look far, far more ridiculous than taking them down. (Your “math” excerpt, for example, is universally agreed upon as one of the most jaw-droppingly idiotic items to appear on this blog—the more so because you still seem to think it’s clever and awesome.)

    You don’t get my sympathy, but you do have my pity. See, I’m angry because California’s LGBT citizens have been wronged in a very specific way. You’re angry because at some level you know that your intellectual and artistic ambitions far exceed your abilities, and gays are (I’m guessing) just one of the targets of your displaced rancor. I imagine that knowing you through your online screeds is only a fraction as difficult and painful as actually BEING you. I’m sorry.

  22. Mark said

    The Math excerpt was a description of how morals and ethics fit into scheme of things as the means and conclusion of any particular creative process (including Marriage). If you have a better explanation or secular method of justifying your attitude towards Marriage then have at it…

    Most reasonable people are waiting for solid proof to back gays, a reason to support their life means and goals, yet some how it just doesn’t add up.

    Perhaps there is an element that we just don’t get- a force in nature that can only be reasoned by those who have explored every nook and crannies of the flesh and and tasted a sweet nectar oozing from puckering prosticular porthole…

    Please, do explain the rational of a gay mind…

  23. Mark said

    BTW, you should really try to resist transferring your emotional state on others, you see I hold no anger or animosity towards you or anyone else for that matter. I simply don’t see any compelling reason to support or ask others to support the means towards a gay end, clearly that is a personal matter that requires no public assistance…

  24. Mark said

    As for my concerns about deleting my posts… well, I’m willing to continue to express my views here as long as I am welcome or tolerated, whichever the case may be. Since it is obvious that most gay supporters don’t seem to know the difference, I’ll that assume you simply allow it until it no longer pleases you…

  25. Of course I’ll allow it, especially if you promise to keep providing gems like “sweet nectar oozing from a puckering prosticular porthole.” I may not stop laughing all day. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

  26. Mark said

    Believe me the laughter is mutual… I also have a tolerance a variety of comical situations that only humans can concoct. This is much more entertaining and challenging than an ant farm.

    Shall we dance? We’ll call it the “Twist”; I know the dance isn’t my invention, It just seems more appropriate a title that the “hokey-poky” or the “Dawg”, and God knows any effort for originality will be a waste of precious time…

  27. Atalanta said

    >> If you have a better explanation or secular method of justifying your attitude towards Marriage then have at it…

    Um, all people are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights, e.g., life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? The 14th Amendment? It’s fucked-up to write discrimination into the Constitution?

    >> Most reasonable people are waiting for solid proof to back gays, a reason to support their life means and goals

    I totally believe you feel this way, but you’re actually willing to express it in public??? Most reasonable people can read that and instantly see you for the bigot you are. Perhaps if one day you end up in my emergency room, I’ll have the chance to ask if you’ve come upon enough solid proof yet to back my goal of saving the life of one of your family members….

    >> I hold no anger or animosity towards you or anyone else for that matter.

    Transparent and abject crap. You oppose equal rights for those whom you don’t want to have to consider equals. I can see why you’d feel threatened.

    >> I simply don’t see any compelling reason to support or ask others to support the means towards a gay end

    Hee. Is that the same gay end with the PPP?

    I know it’s a scary thought for you, Mark, but the LGBT community doesn’t actually NEED your support or acceptance. Marriage equality will happen, whatever your thoughts on the matter, simply because it is just. Despite slowness or circuity, this country inevitably eventually migrates toward justice.

    >> clearly that is a personal matter that requires no public assistance…

    Finally! Light dawns on Marblehead!!

  28. MarK said

    >> Um, all people are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights, e.g., life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? The 14th Amendment? It’s fucked-up to write discrimination into the Constitution?

    Marriage in alienable from the ground up, it is not a prerequisite to life, liberty or happiness.

    >> I totally believe you feel this way, but you’re actually willing to express it in public??? Most reasonable people can read that and instantly see you for the bigot you are.

    Now there is a rational conclusion… not!

    >> Perhaps if one day you end up in my emergency room, I’ll have the chance to ask if you’ve come upon enough solid proof yet to back my goal of saving the life of one of your family members….

    Perhaps one day I’ll hear that question in an emergency room and I’ll punch it’s author in the face.

    >> Transparent and abject crap. You oppose equal rights for those whom you don’t want to have to consider equals. I can see why you’d feel threatened.

    I oppose granting full privileges to half a whit.

    >> Hee. Is that the same gay end with the PPP?

    I wouldn’t know that is why I asked; so, how’bout you tell me.

    >> Finally! Light dawns on Marblehead!!

    So you finally get it, well there is hope after all.

  29. >> I oppose granting full privileges to half a whit.

    Ten bucks says Mark doesn’t get why this is funny.

    By the way, Mark—you’re always welcome to come here and parade your backwoods bigotry, your poor command of the English language, and your inability to follow or construct a logical thought. You are not, however, welcome to threaten violence. Please find another way to assert your manliness. Thank you.

  30. MarK said

    Well FF, I guess a threat to ones family is fine as long as they are passive…

    >> “Perhaps if one day you end up in my emergency room, I’ll have the chance to ask if you’ve come upon enough solid proof yet to back my goal of saving the life of one of your family members.”(Atalanta)

  31. MarK said

    Perhaps Atala”s passion for crossing lines is too overwhelming for her, if so maybe she can tell us which ER is “hers” so that rational people can simply avoid it.

    I would not deny the knowledge of Art to someone simply because we don’t agree on the concept of Marriage nor would I suggest that they justify their perspective as a prerequisite for my professional services. Both acts would be the those of a bigoted person.

  32. You can’t withhold something you never had in the first place, you silly, pompous jackass.

    I do think it’s amusing that your Definition of Marriage isn’t broad or generous enough to include loving, committed same-sex couples….but your Definition of Art is indiscriminate enough to accommodate computer-enhanced photos of pickup trucks.

  33. MarK said

    Well the fundamental flaws are finally showing themselves clearly there is no meeting of the minds to be had on this blog. this is nothing more than a hetero bash site where no homosexual can do wrong. Fortunately for the rest of humanity it is a fine example of the impotence of the gay movement.

    If this is your idea of just behavior, well, then the cat is in the bag, so to speak; the sane and moral people of California have nothing to fear for sure.

    There are deprived and starving people all over the world my love, you can see them whine and cry on CNN most any night, they have a certain kinship with you, FF, in that they are not willing to fight or die for the “RIGHTS”, “liberties”, and “happiness ” they so desire.

    You will win of lose you “right” with the stroke of a pen, leaching off those who bled for the ink that fills its well, but then that is your nature, as it is the nature of all deviant personalities.

    When you fruitless lover asks you that question of questions… “Would you DIE for me?” Think long and hard, ask your self if it is truly worth the sacrifice, because, many many many a hetero has put it all on the line for the Families they acquired through the course of Marriage.

    Good luck with your scam, hope you find whatever it is you are looking for, just be nice and tread lightly if you decide to fumble around someone else’s backyard as you search for the truth.

  34. MarK said

    BTW, my Art is sustained within a controlled environment at no expense to humanity, anyone is welcome to enter my gallery and take with then the Art which THEY experience, ultimately when they leave all they have to reflect upon is them selves.

    The “photo” was not “enhanced” by a “predetermined computer program” it was interpreted by the hand and will of an Artist; the computer was simply the medium. By your logic, Rembrandt’s portraits were “Oil Enhanced-paint by number Images” that had little to do with skill or application of knowledge or a dedication to the Arts…

    Oh , but wait that is exactly what you so desire for this world, a “Gay” enhanced “Marriage” that had little to do with skill or application of knowledge or a dedication to Humanity, which is of course why you see this in all things.

    Before you decide to further you career as an art critic, it would be wise to take a critical look at the mirror, because, because, ultimately one’s interpretation “Art” is also the measure of his/her humanity.

  35. MarK said

    Before you decide to further you career as an art critic, it would be wise to take a critical look at the mirror, because, ultimately one’s interpretation of “Art” is also the measure of his/her humanity.

  36. Atalanta said

    My earlier point, you blind boob, was that I find ironic that despite your perception that you should get to dictate what I might be “entitled to” (a ridiculous and barbaric concept where human rights are concerned), you might one day end up helplessly dependent on me for critical intervention (which, according to my own ethics and professional obligations, I would skillfully provide). I assure you, though, based on what I’ve seen, I will NEVER want anything from you artistically.

    Could you kindly point out the hetero-bashing to which you refer? And who are all these golden gays? This site is certainly a forum for ridiculing ignorance, bigotry, malice, and (admittedly) utterly abysmal English skills, but any heterosexuality of the ridiculed is strictly incidental. Some of my best friends are heterosexual!

    Oh, and clearly you’ve assumed (correctly or not) that I’m female. Do you frequently threaten to punch women in the face, Mark, or was this a special occasion? Or maybe it’s okay to grant self-styled Artists the right to punch queer women?

    Mark, nothing you’ve said here is surprising or new, but everything you’ve said say belies the facade that you are anything but a narrow-minded, spiteful bigot. Now you deny and demean the legions of LGBTs who serve this country in innumerable ways and who die in its service. You discredit the passion and determination of those struggling for equal rights. You denigrate LGBT capacity for relationship and family, and devotion to same. You describe LGBTs as “deviant personalities.” What a great foundation for compassion, kindness, and tolerance!

    “Meeting of the minds” is clearly never on the table when one of the participants does not consider the others fully human.

    Bye bye, Mark A. Gallegos, B.F.A.! Don’t let the door hit you in your puckering prosticular porthole on the way out!

  37. FundamentallyFlawed said

    Mark, listen carefully.

    There’s a certain undeniable entertainment value in watching you flail, but in all seriousness, it terrifies me that someone as proudly prejudiced as yourself should be entrusted to educate high schoolers. Because I am absolutely committed to ensuring that California’s LGBT kids have a safe environment in which to learn, and because you were kind enough to post your certification letter online, I feel that I need to contact your superiors and advise them to be aware of your tendencies. Please understand that I have no intention of trying to cost you your job, but I do have an obligation to let somebody know that you are homophobic to the point of threatening violence.

    If you’d like to apologize for anything you’ve said, perhaps I’ll reconsider. If you think this is a bluff, let me assure you that I am deadly serious.

  38. MarK said

    Atala, As I said before you seem to have no problem crossing conceptual, perceptual or professional lines to achieve your goals. As for the deviancy of LGBTs, it is you who implicated them. The personalities I was referring to were yours and FF”S specifically.

    Never the less, if you stand as representative for all LGBTs then the implication of deviance for all is legitimized only by those who certify your competence to lead.

    All madness aside, it is good to see you back peddle from your previous passive aggressions toward my family, for that I am grateful. As for the punching of the threatening faces of alleged “males” or “females”, my statement stands as a equal counter to the rhetoric or the reality of your passive threats. In plain lingo, it holds the same potential for realization as that which you are willing to invest.

    BTW, I assume nothing, the gender assignment is based on the “Name” YOU chose; she, Atalanta, is a mythical female character(google). Perhaps if you called yourself Ferd, I would have referred to you as “him”. But, I am sure that you would lie about your true gender just as you would of your motives in any matter.

    >> ““Meeting of the minds” is clearly never on the table when one of the participants does not consider the others fully human.”

    That is my point exactly, funny how you fail to realize that a “meeting” is a two-way street.

  39. MarK said

    FF, do what you feel you must to silence me in your forum, however, unlike Atala, I have posted nothing to suggest that I would treat any student with a “less-than-professional” attitude towards the life-choices they engage in.

    As for this rhetorical debate we’ve been having, it is an effort to reach an understanding, a middle ground where two ideologies could coexist without depriving the one or other of its dignity within the bounds and limitations of a finite social setting.

    But again, you certainly have no problem crossing personal and professional lines, so it is becoming obvious that you have no intention to coexist, but to dominate by whatever means possible.

    So, by all means, dominate as you will, attack my livelihood and those of every person who made a choice in 2008 that wasn’t of your liking, you are free express what ever opinion you will, so do what you please.

  40. MarK said

    “If you think this is a bluff, let me assure you that I am deadly serious.”

    That sounds very much like a personal threat to my Life and given the context of your aggression, any malicious activity which leads to that end, is surely a hate crime.

  41. Atalanta said

    >> As for this rhetorical debate we’ve been having, it is an effort to reach an understanding, a middle ground where two ideologies could coexist without depriving the one or other of its dignity within the bounds and limitations of a finite social setting.

    Have you actually READ anything you’ve written?

  42. FundamentallyFlawed said

    Mark, let’s say I spent hours and hours posting hateful things about Latinos online. Would you want your kids in my class? Would you consider an advisement to my supervisors a “hate crime” or a reasonable and appropriate effort to protect your children from prejudice?

  43. MarK said

    Now you are comparing apples to oranges, but if you think this is the course you must take you don’t have to ask my permission.

    Besides a “crime” is measured by intent, when an action is followed by a threat, a “deadly serious’ one, well then the intent is clear.

    What we must do here (if it were for the sake of the children) is find a way to come to terms with our differing views, diminishing my ability to live, is not a means to that end.

    I understand the driving forces that lead to personal perspectives of the opposing elements here, do you? If all you see is fear and hate in my words then that is all you will feel from my presents and that is all you will be able to reciprocate through your actions.

    So, if it is your desire to take this debate to a higher authority, that is simply a matter of whether it is beyond your means to come to a peaceful conclusion in the forum of which you are the Master and speaks more to your ability to effectively communicate ideas, than it does to mine as an effective teacher of Art.

  44. MarK said

    BTW, the time I commit to this discussion is coincidental, I can assure you that in the weeks to come, I will have more important things and issues to attend to. While you will undoubtedly continue on your quest for “equality” as you see it.

  45. FundamentallyFlawed said

    Yeah, I didn’t think you’d be able to answer my question. Thanks for confirming.

    >> What we must do here (if it were for the sake of the children) is find a way to come to terms with our differing views, diminishing my ability to live, is not a means to that end.

    I would say “Remind me why it’s okay for you to diminish OUR ability to live as we choose, but not vice versa…?” but I already know it’s pointless.

    >> If all you see is fear and hate in my words….

    Heavens, no! I also see thumping unintelligence, unearned arrogance, delusions of artistic grandeur, tortured syntax, and a shitload of mistakes unbefitting a B.F.A.

    >> I will have more important things and issues to attend to….

    Indeed, those trucks aren’t going to Photoshop themselves.

  46. MarK said

    I know, I know… it’s “presence” not “presents”

  47. MarK said

    Well then there you go… I understand you so much better now; it is your intent set you vengeance on me for the ballot that you equally participated in… perhaps you should banish yourself for not boycotting the “illegal” ballot all together, then you would surely being the righteous voice of humanity.

    Let the chips fall where they may…

  48. FundamentallyFlawed said

    Look, Mark, I can’t have a conversation with you when you insist on overtaxing your limited language skills. That CSU-Stanislaus gave you a degree despite your frightening inability to construct an intelligent thought or sentence makes me embarrassed to be a professor in the California higher-education system.

  49. MarK said

    I suppose that after all that has bees said, a “professor” attacking the learning disabilities of a “student”, is just par for the course. But then your anonymity affords you the ability to diminish the professionalism of any persona you choose, right? Not to mention the casting of “deadly” threats.

    As does Atala’s, afford her the same. Perhaps it is the nature of professors and nurses/doctors to exploit the disadvantages of others, or is that a gay thing? You tell me “professor”? Which is it? Or is it some other pathology, that I am not aware of… teach Me, oh, great and wondrous Master of Minds…

  50. MarK said

    You stand here criticizing the authority of fellow professionals after having the gall to call me “arrogant” and “delusional”. But wait, I suppose it is all well since you clearly earned you grandiose academic stature which gives you the freedom to use terms like “shitload”?

    If the consequences of your threats weren’t so detrimental to the concept of liberty, I would say your claims to fame and authority were comical.

    If there were any validity to your perspective or opinions, then clearly you would have no problem stepping into the “light” making your true self be known, to be judged “equally” for your words as you intend and hope to be done for mine.

    I’m sure your colleagues would appreciate your audit of my academic record and welcome any similar challenge you pose others on the basis of how they voted.

    It would be quite interesting to meet you on the other side, for a chat and a coffee. You have my email, lets make it a date. Perhaps in the civility of a more humane forum we might be able to see eye-to-eye and effect an end to this silly feud.

    As it was from the beginning, the “ball is in your court”. Pass or play, it’s up to you Doc.

  51. FundamentallyFlawed said

    A learning disability would explain certain elements of your struggle to express yourself; alas, it can’t be held accountable for your raging bigotry. Likewise, I won’t be held accountable for “diminishing [your] professionalism” when you’re so richly able and willing to do that for yourself.

  52. MarK said

    BTW, my “facebook” is an “open” forum, you are welcome to criticize my art in the comment slot for all to see, perhaps you might start a legitimate debate on art with willing participants. I’m sure my friends will appreciate your “professional” opinions as “a professor in the California higher-education system” and all.

    Give it your best shot.

  53. FundamentallyFlawed said

    If we lived closer, and if I thought you were noticeably different from the other thousands of confident homophobes I encounter in my real and virtual life, I might be interested in meeting you for coffee. As it is, I’m afraid I just can’t get excited about the idea. Likewise, your “art” really isn’t worth the trouble of commenting upon further, and since it’s obviously meaningful to you and it poses no threat to me, I’ll leave it alone. (See how that works?)

  54. MarK said

    Don’t be so dismissive, at times, I have been known to go out of my way in an effort show good faith.

    Give me a distance (in miles) and if it is within my means I could come to you. If a “homophone” is all you see in my art, my words and my FB profile. Then it is understandable that you reject my offer for peace.

    Never the less, perhaps we can bring this discussion to a close, agreeing to disagree, and all that was lost was some time and effort on both parts.

    Either way you have my email, and I’ll bid you farewell if there is nothing more to add to this “debate”.

    Sincerely, M Gallegos, B. F. A.

  55. Atalanta said

    A comment on the “agree to disagree” proposition, Mark:

    There are other issues about which I am equally passionate, but where I can agree to disagree. Agreeing to disagree is a perfectly acceptable resolution if we’re talking about chocolate vs. strawberry or Dodgers vs. Angels or Ford vs. Chevy, or even Basquiat vs. Kinkade. It is not at all acceptable when one party contends that members of a minority group are fully human and entitled to the same rights as the members of the majority, and the other position contends the opposite. Why is that so hard to see? Substitute Jewish or black or Latino or left-handed for gay, and how does it read?

    As long as you presume to consider yourself more worthy of human dignity than I am, or think it somehow your right to weigh in on my rights, then I have to agree with FF: I’ve encountered hundreds of you already and know well how such exchanges tend to go. And really, given those positions, which, based on your words here, you do indeed hold, why on earth would I want to talk with you at all?

    Mark, exactly what threat do you see to liberty, yours or anyone else’s, if two legally-eligible men or women can marry? In the entirety of this exchange, you have yet to give ONE SINGLE REASON that same-sex marriage should not be legal.

    But THANK YOU for leaving us with “homophone.” That’s beautiful!

  56. Mark said

    First of all, Atala, I acknowledge your militant tone, so confirming you desire to cram your belief down my throat isn’t masked by your passive aggressions towards me.

    Secondly, unlike you I am able to look past my personal needs and assess this situation from a holistic point of view. The Marriage I speak of is that which bonds a society and not just an alleged couple (of any means). The marriage I speak of is an assessment of the cognitive, biological and social development of the family unit, to exclude in whole or part of any of these processes is to suggest that they do not reciprocate, one to and from the others, diminishing the potential of the whole.

    So if we ignore the biological purpose and process we defy the reality of the situation. Marriage is not an abstract theory that can be dissected to meet the aesthetic of elite or fringe populations (both, minorities in their numbers) it is a means to towards a balanced Family unit which supports the whole, or it is nothing at all.

    Now, if this is in some way to be interpreted as being bigoted, then it is bigoted by way of contemporary developmental psychology and not the closed mind of a fearful minion. These are not my ideas (though they are confirmed by Art theory) they are the ideas that are currently being taught in today’s universities.

    It is only a matter of time before these discoveries are digested by the masses, the same masses that “gay marriage” advocates are relying on for support in the coming months and years.

    So, Although the propaganda of the 60s,70s, and 80s “free love movement” is still fogging the air of truth, it is clear to me that what the future holds is, at best, “Civil Unions” or “Domesticated Partnerships” as a preferred confirmation for “designer” relationships.

    Finally, if you intend to continue to dismantle the American psyche in an effort to rate benefits that you believe are “owed” to you and your like-minded few, then strike away while the metal is still hot, because, I can assure you that it is cooling much faster than you think.

  57. Mark said

    BTW, the ‘B’ and the “N” are side-by-side on the keyboard, I’m amazed by how easily you are amused, but then, of course, that is characteristic of being gay (as in excessively happy).

  58. Mark has finally provided the answer to the age-old question, “What is the sound of one brain cell typing?”

    I’m guessing I speak for Atalanta, too, when I say that I don’t have the energy to dismantle all the abject WRONGNESS you’ve gurgled forth. Both your premises and the so-called conclusions that flow from them are—yes—fundamentally flawed, but I’m not going to spend an hour setting you straight (so to speak) when the three of us are the only ones still reading, and when your head is too far up your puckering porthole to listen in any meaningful way.

    I’m sorry if I seem rude or “militant,” but I don’t see much point in spending this sort of energy on people who are bigoted, condescending, enervating, and unable or unwilling to evolve…..especially when there are more and more loving, accepting, enlightened ones in the world with every passing day. I’ll have my coffee with them, thanks.

  59. mark said

    Nice one Professor, but of course you you will surround your self and feast with the ones you love that is the instinctive nature of animals who sense an end (even humans), even if it is only of an age, era or ideology.

    As a professor you know that what I am saying is true, nothing happens in a vacuum. We think, we live, we love and we die and that cycle is facilitated, honored and perpetuated through Marriage. Each of us has an effect and affect on the others even if it is as minuscule as responding to a obscured blog.

    We lived , we learned and we loved whether we realized it or not… It was done and because of this we are better today than we were two days ago. Even if we ARE angry at least we are NOT alone.

    Good Day too All…

  60. mark said

    And Professor, one brain cell trying is much more honorable that a whole brain denying…

  61. >> As a professor you know that what I am saying is true

    Very little that you’ve said is true.

    >> we are better today than we were two days ago

    Not by virtue of anything that’s happened on this page. You still labor under the delusion that you bring novel, interesting, valuable contributions to the conversation about marriage equality. You do not.

  62. mark said

    Denial will get you no where… To bad you feel so alone in this matter, it is a shame.

  63. No need to feel bad, Mark. I’m far from alone, and the world I live in is far bigger and brighter than the one you live in.

  64. mark said

    Oky-ddodle, then…

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